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Monday, June 20, 2005

"Onward Moderate Christian Soldiers"

The N.Y. Times published a item on June 17th by the former Senator from Missouri and now Episcopal minister, the Rev. John C. Danforth. Danforth is arguing that he is the voice of the moderate Christian in the U.S. He is making the point that he is a Christian and disagrees with the conservative Christian voice that is rising in America. You can read the entire article here but you will have to register (free). This is just one of a series of articles by him.

I have a few objections to his opinion.

1st. The Christian voice in America is not "rising" It has always been there. It is just now being heard because the MSM is starting to come down. America has always been a conservative Christian country. It has never been a moderate Christian country. If the voice is rising it is because the bankrupt policies of the moderate voice are beginning to hit the fan.

2nd. Just because opinions or convictions are held strongly does not validate them. Sorry kids, you are not the center of the universe. Haven't you heard? Your opinion does not matter to an omnipotent and omniscient God. He just simply assumes He is right. Of course He does love you and is willing to listen while you vent your foolishness.

3rd. Danforth says, "Our difference concerns the extent to which government should, or even can, translate religious beliefs into the laws of the state." I say, the government will codify someone's ideas and opinions, I just think it should be Biblical ideas in a Christian country. Oh, but I forgot, you don't see America as Christian. Actually we almost agree here. I find it takes a lot of faith to believe America is Christian these days. Let me see.... "All men are created equal"... Oh yes, there it is. A belief in the Creator God.

4th. Danforth also says, "But for us, the only absolute standard of behavior is the commandment to love our neighbors as ourselves. " Well, at least you believe in at least one absolute, but I have to take exception here. The first commandment, and most important one, is to love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind, and soul. And this is absolutely without exception. You see, this is how many, many, good meaning people begin to slide down the slippery slope into error and heresy. They get the 2nd most important commandment in front of the 1st most important one and thus put man ahead of God. This always leads to oblivion. You cannot but your faith, and hope in flesh and expect to please a God who is Spirit.
A man centered gospel is always full of error and compromise and "good ideas." A man centered church is a glorified country club and although a man centered government seems good, it will always make its decisions based on what is good instead of what is right. Pragmatism is not a Bible word.

5th. Here is another Danforth excerpt. "Following a Lord who reached out in compassion to all human beings, we oppose amending the Constitution in a way that would humiliate homosexuals." Here you expose yourself as someone who has only a passing knowledge of God. God will humiliate all homosexuals, adulterers, drunkards, and fornicators to eternal hell if they don't repent. Or am I being too harsh? Anyhow, I have a hard time seeing the constitution as some kind of Bible tract.

I should end this now before I get myself in too much trouble. This attempt by Danforth to be a moderate Christian puts him more in the camp of the atheistic humanists than in the camp of the Lord. Danforth is sincerely wrong.


Anonymous The Night Writer said...

I didn't see the original article, but heard Danforth on the radio yesterday. There were so many things he said that required comment I hardly knew where to begin. You did a great job of getting to the point(s). I used to live in Missouri, where I'm glad to say I voted against him a couple of times.

3:26 PM, June 22, 2005  
Blogger cwv warrior said...

God bless you for trying. That's all we can do. What it all comes down to: Are we going to take God at His Word? That is why I blog. It is just as easy to say homosexuals should be allowed to marry or we need an amendment to protect marriage. Why? Because a large sector of the Christian church doesn't believe God meant what He said! Danforth would never have gotten away with calling himself Christian in a previous era.

3:34 PM, June 22, 2005  
Blogger Ed Darrell said...

Danforth has been a minister for a long while -- my recollection is that he was ordained several years prior to his election to the U.S. Senate.

I am perplexed and dismayed that you take issue with Danforth's wise and Christian advice. This fairly sums his article, I think: "By contrast, moderate Christians see ourselves, literally, as moderators. Far from claiming to possess God's truth, we claim only to be imperfect seekers of the truth. We reject the notion that religion should present a series of wedge issues useful at election time for energizing a political base. We believe it is God's work to practice humility, to wear tolerance on our sleeves, to reach out to those with whom we disagree, and to overcome the meanness we see in today's politics."

I'm not sure where any Christian could take exception there.

And I'm curious about cwv warrior's comments: If our President can ignore Genesis 8 and order the sexual humiliation of prisoners, of what possible use would be a Constitutional amendment to protect marriage? To protect it from what? In any case, is it wise to use any of these issues to divide our people, considering the dangers that accompany a division of a house?

4:35 PM, June 25, 2005  
Blogger OptimusHenry said...

"We believe it is God's work to practice humility, to wear tolerance on our sleeves, to reach out to those with whom we disagree, and to overcome the meanness we see in today's politics."
There is way too much tolerance of sin now in the church. We've got very high percentages of "Christians" addicted to porn and getting divorced because we are too moderate and don't take a radical stance for holiness and Godliness.
We as humans may be imperfect, but we are lead by a perfect God and His Word.

11:35 PM, June 25, 2005  
Blogger Ed Darrell said...

Danforth didn't say "tolerance of sin."

Don't impose your own agenda on the man's words.

7:32 PM, July 03, 2005  
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